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[B&R] 28/09/15 DCI Banned & Restricted List

Messaggioda LEONHARD » 28 set '15, 17:47

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/september-28-2015-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2015-09-28

Announcement Date: September 28, 2015 - Effective Date: October 2, 2015 - Magic Online Effective Date: October 7, 2015

Legacy: Dig Through Time is banned. Black Vise is unbanned.
Vintage: Chalice of the Void is restricted. Dig Through Time is restricted. Thirst for Knowledge is unrestricted.

Next B&R Announcement: January 18, 2016

Explanation of Changes

Wizards of the Coast examines tournament results from each competitive Constructed format. When a format becomes imbalanced, or too many games are not interactive, we examine the cause.

Here are our changes:

Legacy

Over the past several months, the strategic diversity of Legacy has been diminished. Blue decks using Dig Through Time and various combo decks have occupied a greater portion of the metagame, pushing a lot of other decks out of the competitive scene. The problem is that other strategies tend to lose to the blue decks too frequently; they used to be more competitive, but now they fall behind when the blue decks reload for two mana using Dig Through Time. Dig Through Time is banned.

Some of the recent Legacy bans have been powerful card-drawing cards. Historically, Black Vise was a powerful card against those decks—and at times it was too powerful, limiting the metagame. Legacy decks are powerful enough that R&D does not think this is a likely problem, and the change might increase the diversity of the format. Black Vise is unbanned.


Vintage

Workshop decks have become more and more popular. However, too many games are effectively decided by the first player's first turn. A major problem is that a turn-one Chalice of the Void for 0 deprives the opponent an opportunity to put Moxen on the battlefield. While players can adapt by not playing Moxen, the point of the format is to provide a place to play those cards. Chalice of the Void is restricted.

Dig Through Time has reduced the diversity of the format, though in a somewhat different way than in Legacy. In Vintage, it has replaced many other card-drawers, creating a less diverse format. Dig Through Time is comparable to other restricted card-drawers, and now shares that honor. Dig Through Time is restricted.

In 2009, blue-based artifact decks were dominating the format. There were not many options of cards to restrict, and we chose Thirst for Knowledge. This led to a much healthier metagame. However, six years later, a lot of cards have been added and the metagame is very different. The former dominating strategies are barely seen at all; the reason for the restriction is no longer evident. Thirst for Knowledge is unrestricted.


Spoiler:
Immagine
Il formato si regge su tre carte: Force of Will, Brainstorm e Wasteland.
Bannatene una e non vedrete la luce del giorno.
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[LEGACY] Annuncio Banned & Restricted List 28/09/2015

Messaggioda Nasubi » 28 set '15, 20:06

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/september-28-2015-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2015-09-28

Announcement Date: September 28, 2015

Effective Date: October 2, 2015

Magic Online Effective Date: October 7, 2015

Legacy:

Dig Through Time is banned.

Black Vise is unbanned.



Beh, direi "era ora" C:
Decks:
Spoiler:
Modern Decks:
Jund
GR Aggro "Little Italy"
Melira Company


Legacy Decks:
Jund

Pauper Decks:
MonoBlack Control
Goblins

Cockatrice:
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Re: [LEGACY] Annuncio Banned & Restricted List 28/09/2015

Messaggioda Legolax » 29 set '15, 8:45

A me piaceva Dig. :(

Però effettivamente non era il massimo avere un Meta solo blu. Soprattutto perché questa carta, sebbene avesse "creato" un buon numero di mazzi (Grixis, 4c Delver), ha reso Omnitell un mostro di mazzo.

E a noi non piace Omnitell. :V

Black Vise è interessante, voglio vedere come si riambienterà in Legacy dopo così tanto tempo.
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Re: [LEGACY] Annuncio Banned & Restricted List 28/09/2015

Messaggioda pochy » 29 set '15, 9:28

giusto ban.
Avevo già espresso qua e là il mio disappunto sul fatto che dig fosse ancora legale.
Ban che giova al formato
- Legacy, what else? -
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Re: [LEGACY] Annuncio Banned & Restricted List 28/09/2015

Messaggioda Thorgils » 29 set '15, 19:40

boooom! ban di quel missile di dig! sicuramente il meta diventerà un pochino meno control centrico... (non dico che omnishow viene azzoppato parecchio perché è troppo evidente), le domande vere da farsi secondo me sono:
*basterà tornare a considerare il meta pre-khans?
*quale sarà il meta dell'ovino dopo questa batosta di banlista arrivata appena 4 giorni prima dello start?
*black vise sarà lo sban safe safe che dicono tutti o avrà un suo ruolo nel nuovo meta?
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Re: [LEGACY] Annuncio Banned & Restricted List 28/09/2015

Messaggioda mtz88 » 30 set '15, 18:12

Thorgils ha scritto:boooom! ban di quel missile di dig! sicuramente il meta diventerà un pochino meno control centrico... (non dico che omnishow viene azzoppato parecchio perché è troppo evidente), le domande vere da farsi secondo me sono:
*basterà tornare a considerare il meta pre-khans?
*quale sarà il meta dell'ovino dopo questa batosta di banlista arrivata appena 4 giorni prima dello start?
*black vise sarà lo sban safe safe che dicono tutti o avrà un suo ruolo nel nuovo meta?


Meno control centrico non credo: tornerà ad essere pieno di Miracle come prima della stampa di Khans...in fin dei conti di altre carte non se ne giocano...
- Miracles
- Shardless
e per i nostalgici
- Canadian Threshold
- Team America
oltre ai soliti combo.
Omniscence rimetterà Dream Hall al posto dei Dig e via.

Ok, giusto il ban di Dig ma boh...non ci vedo grandi passi avanti..
I'll die fighting with my brothers side by side

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Re: [LEGACY] Annuncio Banned & Restricted List 28/09/2015

Messaggioda Bottle Gnome » 30 set '15, 20:29

mtz88 ha scritto:
Thorgils ha scritto:boooom! ban di quel missile di dig! sicuramente il meta diventerà un pochino meno control centrico... (non dico che omnishow viene azzoppato parecchio perché è troppo evidente), le domande vere da farsi secondo me sono:
*basterà tornare a considerare il meta pre-khans?
*quale sarà il meta dell'ovino dopo questa batosta di banlista arrivata appena 4 giorni prima dello start?
*black vise sarà lo sban safe safe che dicono tutti o avrà un suo ruolo nel nuovo meta?


Meno control centrico non credo: tornerà ad essere pieno di Miracle come prima della stampa di Khans...in fin dei conti di altre carte non se ne giocano...
- Miracles
- Shardless
e per i nostalgici
- Canadian Threshold
- Team America
oltre ai soliti combo.
Omniscence rimetterà Dream Hall al posto dei Dig e via.

Ok, giusto il ban di Dig ma boh...non ci vedo grandi passi avanti..

Sono d'accordo: penso che questa decisione si presenti più come un "nulla di fatto" piuttosto che come svolta.
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[B&R] 18/01/16 DCI Banned & Restricted List

Messaggioda donChi » 16 gen '16, 9:15

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/ar ... 2016-01-18

Announcement Date: January 18, 2016
Effective Date: January 22, 2016
Magic Online Effective Date: January 27, 2016

Modern:
Summer Bloom is banned.
Splinter Twin is banned.

Pauper:
Cloud of Faeries is banned.

The list of all banned and restricted cards, by format, is here. The full list of cards banned in Modern is here. The full list of cards banned in Pauper is here.

Next B&R Announcement: April 4, 2016

EXPLANATION OF CHANGES
Wizards of the Coast examines tournament results from each competitive Constructed format. When a format becomes imbalanced, or too many games are not interactive, we examine the cause.

Here are our changes:

Modern

We look for competitively viable decks that frequently win before the fourth turn. The Amulet Bloom deck has reached a performance level that is consistent with those criteria. In the past year, Justin Cohen finished second at Pro Tour Fate Reforged and Benjamin Miller made the Top 8 at Grand Prix Oklahoma City. At the StarCityGames.com Cincinnati Open, with over 1,000 competitors, Bobby Fortanely won and Bill Comminos finished in the Top 8.
This deck frequently wins before the fourth turn. With an Amulet of Vigor, a Summer Bloom, a bounce land such as Simic Growth Chamber, and another land such as Gemstone Mine, the deck can generate seven mana for additional plays on turn two. Primeval Titan, or Hive Mind with a Summoner's Pact, can end the game very quickly. For these purposes, we are treating a turn-three Hive Mind with a Pact (which forces your opponent to pay 2GG next upkeep or lose the game) as a turn-three win.
We looked into which card could be banned to reduce the frequency of the very early wins. When the deck generates seven mana on turn two, there are a lot of cards that could lead to a quick finish. So we focused on the cards that lead to that explosive mana, and that led us to choose between Summer Bloom and Amulet of Vigor.
Since either card would be sufficient, the issue turned to what possibilities remained after either card was banned. Banning Amulet of Vigor leaves a Summer Bloom ramp deck. Banning Summer Bloom allows Amulet of Vigor with tapped lands. While it was not clear that either of these has all the tools to form a competitive deck today, the deck with Amulet of Vigor is more distinctive and has more potential as more tapped lands are printed. Azusa, Lost but Seeking is a potential replacement for Summer Bloom, but it is less efficient—so while there is a deck to play, it won't have frequent turn-three wins.
For those reasons, Summer Bloom is banned from Modern.

We also look for decks that hold a large enough percentage of the competitive field to reduce the diversity of the format.
Antonio Del Moral León won Pro Tour Fate Reforged playing Splinter Twin, and Jelger Wiegersma finished third; Splinter Twin has won two of the four Modern Pro Tours. Splinter Twin reached the Top 8 of the last six Modern Grand Prix. The last Modern Grand Prix in Pittsburgh had three Splinter Twin decks in the Top 8, including Alex Bianchi's winning deck.
Decks that are this strong can hurt diversity by pushing the decks that it defeats out of competition. They can also reduce diversity by supplanting similar decks. For instance, Shaun McLaren won Pro Tour Born of the Gods playing this Jeskai control deck. Alex Bianchi won our most recent Modern Grand Prix playing a similar deck but adding the Splinter Twin combination. Similarly, Temur Tempo used to see play at high-level events but has been supplanted by Temur Twin.
We considered what one would do with the cards from a Splinter Twin deck with Splinter Twin banned. In the case of some Jeskai or Temur, there are very similar decks to build. In other cases, there is Kiki-Jiki as a replacement.
In the interest of competitive diversity, Splinter Twin is banned from Modern.

Pauper

The format currently has poor color balance. Of the ten most played nonland cards, nine are blue; the tenth is Lightning Bolt. We looked into the cause of this.
The Esper Familiars deck uses Sunscape Familiar and Nightscape Familiar to reduce the cost of blue spells, which include "free spells" such as Cloud of Faeries and Snap. Combined with the bounce lands, this means the "free spells" effectively produce mana. Here is a typical winning position: One casts Ghostly Flicker targeting Cloud of Faeries and a Mnemonic Wall, netting mana and getting back the Ghostly Flicker. Once enough mana is produced, the Ghostly Flicker can target a Sea Gate Oracle instead of the Cloud of Faeries, repeatedly looking for Sage's Row Denizen. From there, the flickering mills the opponent's deck.
Because of all the card-drawers here, it is difficult for non-blue decks to defeat this deck. It pushes the metagame to the imbalanced state where blue is heavily overplayed. Cloud of Faeries is likely the most problematic card in the deck.
In the interest of color diversity, Cloud of Faeries is banned from Pauper.
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Re: [B&R] 18/01/16 DCI Banned & Restricted List

Messaggioda LEONHARD » 16 gen '16, 9:19

Ripeto come già detto nell'altr thread, banned che spinge il modern su dei binari molto precisi, quelli di tron ed eldrazi, mazzi che piu di chiunque altro soffrivano anulet e twin, peccato
Il formato si regge su tre carte: Force of Will, Brainstorm e Wasteland.
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Re: [B&R] 18/01/16 DCI Banned & Restricted List

Messaggioda Raborymos » 16 gen '16, 10:53

Sono abbastanza scioccato da questo ban brutale che uccide un mazzo e ne amputa un altro:
1)per Twin concordo con molti: bastava togliere l'esarca e non si faceva morire uno dei pochi mazzi a base blu del formato (detto da chi odia il Blu ed ha sempre giocato aggro ignorante nella propria vita).
2) Per il titan almeno non è morto il mazzo, vediamo come ne escono fuori i giocatori.
Ufficialemente il Blu non esiste più nei Tier: chi riempie il vuoto lasciato da Twin? Grixis Control o Delver? UR Delver? UWr Control? Mah.
Considerato che hanno appena fatto un'intera edizione sugli Eldrazi, era necessario proprio ora azzoppare i mazzi che li tenevano a bada?

Invece per quanto riguardo il ban del pauper, che rischia di passare inosservato, sono proprio contento. Il Mono U è inarrestabile se non col mono B. Ammazza la varietà di un formato che ha un pool di carte enorme. Vediamo se ne esce abbastanza indebolito oppure no!
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Modern:Real Jund(Hellkite Overlord)/ Mono G Stompy
Commander: Zo-zu the Punisher/ Nahiri, the Lithomancer
Tiny Leaders: Feldon of the Third Path/Yahenni, Undying Partisan
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